Thursday, November 22, 2007

The Language of God

In the subject book, Francis Collins, the head of the government side of the Human Genome project attempts to "provide evidence for belief". While I enjoyed the book quite a bit, if you are looking for "evidence of God", Collins pretty much just defers to C S Lewis on the actual discussion of "The Moral Law" which is the cornerstone of his "evidence". I'm still in the "belief and unbelief are equal leaps of faith" camp, but the point is that there is logic for either case and nothing in science, philosophy, or religion are going to "rationally prove" the case in this universe. Either God or chaos decided that our existence wasn't going to give us that rational proof in this universe.

The question of the book is: "In this modern era of cosmology, evolution and the human genome, is there still the possibility of a richly satisfying harmony between the scientific and spiritual worldviews?" His answer is very much "yes", as is mine. "Whether we call it by name or not, all of us have arrived at a certain worldview. It helps us make sense of the world around us, provides us with an ethical framework, and guides our decisions about the future." Seems obvious.

He lists 3 responses to the Anthropic Principle: (that the universe is uniqely tuned to give rise to humans, or as really good atheists put it "we are here because we are here"):

1). There are essentially an infinite number of universes (the "multiverse theory"), so "we had to be here", all possibilities are. (a current atheist favorite that they had to come up with fairly quickly)

2). We are just ultimately and incredibly lucky ... a string of many known and likely many unknown 10 to the - many 10's and even at least low hundreds of decimal place improbabilites all worked out in our favor. We won the cosmic lottery. No way to prove that the winning lottery ticket for the next 300 million Powerball WON'T blow into your house window. In fact, it would be nearly a dead certainty stacked against the odds that you would be here at all.

3). God did it.

Actually, in the ebb and flow of human history, this hasn't really changed much. We just have a few more specific numbers for just how high the odds against our random existence really are.

After some time wading through angry atheist tracts, the thing I liked best about this book was the tone and humility of the author and a lot less "intellectual grandstanding" than Gould even though this guy is clearly extremely intelligent and accomplished. He seems to be far more interested in his reader understanding the issues and his points than in being impressed with the authors intelligence.

A lot of time is spent on the problems of Creationism and Intelligent Design. I generally agree with his assessment that they cause more trouble than they are worth. I find "fundamental literalists" to almost always be quite brittle and quickly become uncomfortable and judgmental or both when issues of origin and science are discussed. However, I think Collin's fails to understand what I would see as the "the appearance of age problem". God could create the universe as I write this using whatever methods he chooses--how that happens to "look to us" is interesting TO US, but doesn't have anything to do with his "somehow trying to fool us". From a divine perspective, it is all "just stuff"(matter, or the appearance of matter), not of any great importance. The hope we have is that he has chosen to provide us with a "soul in his image" ... no doubt with less fidelity than a low res cartoon, but promised to be eternal.

Sit back, try to focus on the NOW, being as opposed to doing, "say thanks"--there may be more "proof" available than logic would indicate. God wants to know you, shut off your monkey brain and LET HIM!

13 comments:

  1. Anonymous12:38 PM

    Introduction: Page 4
    I love comparing the results of polls. Two questions were asked:
    1 Do you profess some form of belief in God?
    2 Do you believe in a God who actively communicates with humankind and to whom one may pray in expectation of receiving an answer.
    Question one was aked of the general public where 93% responded yes. Question two was asked of scientists where 40% answered yes.
    Not sure what conclusion I can draw from this when the burning question in my mind is how would the general public respond to question two and how would scientists respond to question one.

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  2. Anonymous12:46 PM

    Chapter 1: Page 30
    "If God exists, then He must exist outside the natural world, and therefore the tools of science are not the right ones to learn about Him."

    For sure, you wouldn't want to fall into the mistake of the "Santa people" who (probably unthinkingly) disclosed the location (in the natural world) Santa's residence in the North Pole. One can excuse them since at the time there was no real expectation that anyone would ever get to the north pole.

    The bible writers also fell into this trap when they disclosed the age of the universe.

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  3. Polls are of no use in questions of eternal significance. We will ultimately find our answer to those by ourselves.

    Did your Bible state the age of the universe? Mine didn't. There certainly have been people that have and do think they can figure out the age of the EARTH from the Bible but there are people that believe they have the answer for almost everything.

    "Santa and the N Pole" is an odd analogy in the season of Christmas celebrated by 100's of millions of Christians as the birth of their Saviour. It is a bit "Dawkins reminiscent". Christ and Christmas are cornerstones of the Christian faith, Santa is cute fun for kids.

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  4. Anonymous10:38 AM

    Chapter 3: Page 81
    "the opening words of Genesis ('In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth') are entirely compatible with the Big Ban."

    Now that is a stretch! Given the Big bang theory in what sense was "the earth" created "in the beginning". I wonder what theory of the universe the Genisis words would be incompatible with.

    Isn't it clear that that these words from the Genisis are the words of someone completely immersed in (and limited by) the state of knowledge of their ancient time. Thus, God created only the things they were aware of.
    And, since the writers had no knowledge of natural processes, God must have created them all at once.

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  5. Anonymous10:44 AM

    Chapter 1: Page 30
    I guess the Santa analogy, rather than helping, got in the way.

    Nevertheless, why is it that "if God exists, he MUST exist outside the natural world". If He is all-powerful, certainly He could arrange it either way.

    Collins wants to make the tools of science impotent. That is why "He MUST exist outside the natural world".

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  6. God would be "outside" because as the creator he would be the causality for the universe. If he was "inside the Big Bang" doesn't seem like causality. I'm willing to let God do it any way he wants, but it seems most likely that he would be beyond what we see as our physical reality.

    The model of a static universe would not fit very well with "in the beginning", and that idea was the leading science view up until Hubble. Einstein called his cosmic constant his greatest mistake since he had conceived a static universe. Prior to Hubble, the static "it always was" model was popular with atheists because it didn't have a "beginning"; a logical point of entry for a creator.

    Certainly Genesis was written for people immersed in their limited time and capability. Just as Einstein was limited, we are limited and all of the material world is limited.

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  7. Anonymous4:28 PM

    Genisis:

    I didn't bring up the Genisis thing, Collins did. I assume he didn't say it to look foolish.

    But if, as you say, "Certainly Genesis was written for people immersed in their limited time and capabilitity.", then we shouldn't pay any more attention to the Genisis words than we should to some "flat world" theory.

    As I wrote the words above I just noticed that you said "for people", not "by people". Who did write these words?

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  8. "Who wrote the Bible" is the subject of a whole number of books, but since it is a religious text, the issue is really one of "is it inspired"? If it is inspired, then "who wrote it" is as meaningful as "What brand of computer was this typed on?", thus the decision is really one of discerning inspiration.

    How might one do that? Well, reading it might be required for starters. One interesting idea might be to look up Harold Bloom on the subject. How does the Bible compare to say Shakespeare, Cervantes, Virgil, etc as literature? How many texts "written by committee" compete with the greatest works in history as literature and are listed by most of the greatest authors in history as one of their chief influences?

    The somewhat agreed author of the "Torah" (Hebrew Bible) is a guy named Moses.

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  9. Anonymous7:54 PM

    The Bible:

    When you say Bible do you mean old, new or both?

    How could one possibly know that the words in the Bible were "inspired"?

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  10. Anonymous8:11 PM

    Occam's Razor: Page 74

    "Anthropic Principle: the idea that our universe is uniquely tuned to give rise to humans."

    So we postulate an all-powerful God, infinite in time and space completely outside the known natural universe. And, if that is not enough, He had to create 100s of billions of galaxies each containing 100s of billions of stars over a period of 14 (or so) billion years just to create us.

    Then you want to tell me that this is the "simple" answer compared to something (for example) like the Cosmic Landscape.

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  11. "Know"? How could someone possibly know the Bible was NOT inspired? It certainly holds a very unique historical place.

    Random happening? Inspired Word of God or old myths and captrap"-Either choice is a faith statement. Just like physics, it would seem that it would take significant study to have any hope of making a determination.

    You asked about Genesis in particular, that is Old Testament. I believe that the entire Bible is the inspired word of God.

    The existence of the "Big Bang" at least raises the prospect of existence outside of what we see as "the universe". I'm not sure a comparison of "complexity theory" in an extra-universal dimension is all that useful. Is your "kid creating our universe as a video game" more or less complex than an infinite God or string theory? (which doesn't explain "why there is anything at all anyway).

    Doesn't Occam's Razor apply to the "simplest explanation that EXPLAINS?" I thought you had already decided that physics DIDN'T explain. If you relax the requirement to actually provide an explanation as to "Why/how/etc the Big Bang" isn't it unsurprising that the answer to the simpler question would seem simpler?

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  12. Anonymous9:34 AM

    Well, at the heart of our differences is our attitude about "us", that is, our species, homo sapiens.

    To me it is utter hubris to think that the universe was created for "us" or that we are a special species.

    I don't see any reason to believe that it was created for "us". Looking out on the vastness of the universe I am led to our relative insignificance in any grand
    scheme rather than a feeling that it was all created for "us".

    If, for whatever reason, you believe it was created for "us", then the question of the "creator" is a more burning question than it is for me.

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  13. I'd say the question of God and "why are we here and where are we going" is pretty much equivalent for everyone. It is given to all men to be born and to die; in between we decide what to make of the life we were given. Death is pretty much the ultimate in equal opportunity experience.

    I'd say that relative to earth it is obvious that we are "special". Is the purpose of the universe for us to exist? The combination of the anthropic principle and the apparent lack of direction in evolution is driving science to wonder (pretty much kicking and screaming). We either won very big in the cosmic lottery or the table was rigged. I don't see how the answer to that gets found out from inside this big bang context by science.

    From an infinite God point of view, it is very possible for "everything to be special". Our thoughts, attention, emotion, etc are all in a "material, human box". A God outside of the material wouldn't have those limits; to the extent there is more to man, as in "soul/spirit", there may be a hint there as well.

    Materialism says that "I refuse to recognize what I can't touch/measure/etc"- the "Doubting Thomas Position" in the New Testament. The strong materialist position has the benefit of clarity.

    The disadvantage is that it seems to very much limit what is possible in this life in terms of meaning and fulfillment, and if that is a "hint" of what might be beyond, then not coming in touch with our spiritual self in the interest of "simplicity, clarity, rigor, ..." or whatever reason is a great tragedy.

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